Let's keep in mind that Obama didn't originally denounce his Pastor, in fact he called him "family".

The ONLY reason I think Obama denounced Wright was because he realized it was costing him politically and honestly, I had a BIG problem with that. If it were MY pastor, NOTHING would keep me from standing behind him through thick AND thin. And we call that loyalty where I come from.

Again, it seems the Obamaites have now dismissed Wright as a jealous political liability because he was too self-centered to keep his mouth shut but before that, it was ALL good! :rolleyes:

Read the article that aurora linked. Sarah Palin is not, and never has been, a member of the AIP. The chairman of the AIP has admitted this herself.

Regarding her pastor's sermon, I'm guessing you have not listened to it. I have. It is archived at the church's website. You can listen to it too:

http://wasillabible.org/sermon_files/2008_Sermons/wbc080720.mp3

If you take 30 minutes and listen to it, you will see that the content, tone, and message of Palin's pastor is COMPLETELY different from what Reverend Wright was saying (and yes, I have listened to that entire sermon also--I don't take things at face value when they are little sound bites in the media). Palin's pastor was describing God's message about the end of the world, and how he is going to remove every living thing from the face of the earth. The pastor includes himself and his entire congregation among the sinners that God is angry at, and talks about how all of us need to have a closer relationship to God and take his message seriously. He talks about Americans to make it clear to his congregation that God's message about the end of the world applies to them too.
This is in distinct contrast to Rev. Wright's sermon, where he singles out specific groups with unfounded accusations and calls upon God to damn them, excluding himself and his congregation, and presumably his entire race.
I won't discuss either of these sermons with anyone anymore unless they have listened to both of them. Rev. Wright's sermon can be found in the archives of the Fox News website, among others.

I like Palin...she is a go getter and a spit fire!! She also gives the impression she won't be another one of the "cows" in politics, hard to distinguish between who does what or thinks this way or the other...since when did the presidential election become a "socially exceptable" popularity contest? Honestly? In my personal views and beliefs, I don't think anyone in the race is qualified when it comes to the true meaning running for office. BUT...as I know some may not agree with me, because of her accomplishments thus far AND that fact she is a mom says a lot about her ability to function in many roles and still hold it together. She seems to have plenty of family support. And think of this: so many women physicians have the same struggle but instead of running a country politically, they are responsible for individual lives and meeting their needs, just as they do at home with their own families, juggling it all and making it work...no matter what!! She is bold, confident and not your normal candidate...I LOVE IT!! While I wasn't initially to going to vote for neither McCain or Obama, I think I am going with McCain. The best in my opinion is Ron Paul, but that isn't going to happen to to majority rules so I feel a vote for McCain is a vote NOT for Obama.

All parties aside..look at what they stand for, not there experience or the ability to win the temporary "feel good" from a large crowd. I want to have the choice of where my child goes to school. I don't want higher taxes. I don't want to be controlled in every little thing I do. I take the ABSOLUTELY NOTS and weigh those out.

Therefore, my vote goes to McCain. The high priority issues need to get dealt with first, obtain the views of each candidate and go from there. Palin is a go getter...a mover and a shaker...someone who has the character to get things done!! And if her values and beliefs are what is holding that together? Than that's the kind of person I want governing the country I live in, not someone who wants to overpower me.

I heard a really sad argument the other day...people coming down on her about her daughter getting pregnant...guess what? LOTS of people get pregnant out of wedlock. I was only 20 years old, not married and raised in a Christian home. It happens!!! To many women from all walks of life go through this. But isn't it sad they are bad mouthing her b/c her daughter choose to keep the baby? Not sure how some of you view abortion on here, and we don't necessarily need to get into that, but someone said that if she choose to have an abortion that the other party would probably be praising her for her freedom of choice!! Isn't this backwards or is it just me? I'm not one to tell someone flat out it's wrong or right. I believe one way, but I won't EVER judge another for believing something else...it's not my place to do that!

But really, people should be behind her, supporting her for deciding to take responsibility for the baby and applauding her to stand up to the situation and face the music....not criticizing her for it!!! Heck, Palin is real...she's got LIFE experience and sometimes that means more then just a list of credentials if you ask me!!

There's my :twocents:

the thing to be celebrated is that bristol had a choice. that's not right to say that pro-choice supporters would have WANTED her to have an abortion. i'm pro-choice, and i'm glad she had a choice. i don't want people to just go around terminating pregnancies. these decisions are clearly more complicated than that.

if we elect more social conservatives to the white house, and they choose conservative chief justices, we could have reversal of roe vs. wade. abortion rights are something i have always taken for granted, as a child of the '80s. however, i am seeing now that these rights are as threatened as they have ever been in this particular election.

if you choose the mccain/ palin ticket, you are choosing the potential loss of abortion rights. we each have our own priorities, and you need to choose what matters most to you.

Theother day, I overheard a group of young college women asking the question, if Palin can't "control" her own daughter, how can she run the Country.

So I VERY politely went over to the group of yound women and asked them if their Mother's carried their vaginia's around in thier purses when they were 17 because as far as I knew, that's the ONLY way a mother could control her daughter's sexual behavior at 17. Then I said "Or maybe NONE of you was sexually active at 17"?

I wish you guys could have seen the looks on their faces! :laughing:

Talk about sexist. :rolleyes: Palin's husband is a stay at home Dad, so why isn't the press questioning HIM about why the young lady got pregnant? Whether she was the VP candidate or the wife of the VP candidate, I suspect that SHE would have been blamed no matter what.

I'd venture to guess that the overwhelming majority of abortions are abortion's of convenience, NOT the result of incest, rape, or endangerment of the mother's life. So I'm perfectly happy with people doing as I did when I was younger, and that is being EXTRA, EXTRA cautious about their birth control methods. For example, people would be quite suprised at just how effective a condom AND birth control pills really are.

And yeah, I KNOW not everyone can take the pill ! :rolleyes:

Tell you what I LOVE about Palin. Her family is REAL, not that perfect leave it to beaver family bullsh!t that many of us buy into as young single adults until we get maried, start families, live a little more then later ask ourselves "Oh Sh!T", what happened to my Brady Bunch ideal????

Hello ladies,
I'm sorry I haven't read the whole thing (recovering from call + exam + sick child - quite the combo). In the last couple of pages, several of you brought up the hypocrisy of the liberal media (about Bristol, about Gov Palin's family responsibilities, etc.). I absolutely agree with you on thse accounts and I've said it earlier in this thread. But you have to admit that hypocrisy is the name of the game on both sides. How many times did we hear the McCain clan comment on Obama's relative lack of experience, right up until nominating Palin? This is just an example among many. The truth is that both sides will use those kinds of arguments as long as they benefit them. Even the mainstream conservative media is no stranger to bias and double standards. Case in point: Watch this! (Warning: you may laugh out loud - I did, in the middle of the library)

Overall, I do agree that people should have "free choice" to do what they want with their lives. This is putting government rule back into the hands of the people. I for sure DON'T want to be controlled on the basis of other people's believes, and I'm sure everyone would agree with me. However, there is an obvious extreme here...we don't want the country to go completely out of control either. But if we had to break in down into specific issues, this one on abortion would be perfect! I agree with a previous post about how abortions have become too convenient and is being used as a method of birth control...how about "conception control"!!!!! By making abortions a "free for all" it has taken the responsibility out of the hands of girls/women to deal with consequence. Yes, victims of rape, incests, etc...I understand this! But freedom of choice is freedom of choice. It's a double-minded view point. We want "freedom of choice" for abortion, but what about "freedom of choice" when a woman made the "free choice" to have unprotected sex? What message are we sending these girls if we say, "it's ok, you weren't responsible, so we will just make it all go away and get you an abortion"...how about, "you know where babies come from and if your not willing to (or have the capability to) deal with what may come of your actions, then DON'T have unprotected sex!! Remember the definition of responsibility: the ability to respond...you can't declare freedom of choice and put an ultimatum on it. Freedom is freedom, a choice is a choice. We should all have that right, but don't water down values in the mean time!!

i don't appreciate the implication that pro-choice supporters have watered down values. my values are simply different than yours.

i value a woman's right to control her body, and to have a simple medical procedure to end an unwanted pregnancy over a 9 week old fetus's right to live. i believe that individuality begins at viability.

i agree that people need to take responsibility for their actions.

i don't believe it's right to tell (that's right, tell, not ask) one million women per year that they have to carry their unwanted pregnancy to term.

who has abortions? predominantly young, unmarried women.

guttmacher institute fact sheet on abortion

these women are not in a situation where they feel the would be able to raise a child. the pro-life argument then goes, "if she can't raise the baby, then she should give the baby up for adoption."

like i said before, i think it is not right to force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. nine months is a long time. there are ob visits, and physical changes, and the social stigma of being unmarried and pregnant is still very much alive. let's not forget that there are also risks to the mother.

if a woman finds she is pregnant, and she doesn't want to have a baby or carry it to term, then she should have the right to a simple, safe medical procedure to terminate the pregnancy.

if abortions are made illegal, they will only go underground.