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#65213 - 09/04/08 08:10 PM Re: McCain's MomVP
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Registered: 09/14/03
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Originally posted by twinmom:
Plus, "only" 40% of my class has physician parents. :rolleyes: Not a majority.
Yes, but at least 17% of that remaining 60% have parents that are PhD's(this is AMCAS info).

Keep in mind, MD's aren't the ONLY "Doctors". :rolleyes: :p
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#65214 - 09/04/08 08:17 PM Re: McCain's MomVP
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Originally posted by aurora:
Sweet, mean ?! Seriously...? That's what you got?
Dear Aurora, that is not what "I got", I shared my first impression of her immediately following her speech. I am carefully choosing not to present too many of my political opinions here. Furthermore, I have been giving Sarah Palin an opportunity to speak for herself (at least to me) and am not going to discuss her positions based solely on third-party reports. That is why yesterday was important for me - I wanted to hear her present her own opinions and positions, I wanted the intangibles (not facts/tangibles like the names of her family members and their occupations, which can be verified from other sources without too much danger of misrepresentation). However, if you would like the long list of issues/questions/concerns which preoccupied my mind during and after her speech, I will be happy to present them. Are you truly interested in my thoughts and opinions?

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#65215 - 09/04/08 08:18 PM Re: McCain's MomVP
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Registered: 10/07/07
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wow, what a great discussion! I don't mean to break the flow but I had to chime in smile I'm not sure who I'm voting for yet. I hate admitting that because people usually flame me for it. "How could you NOT know? The candidates are SO different!" Well, I don't. It's only my second presidential election after all.

So thank you to all of you debaters! Your posts and their accompanying facts and links are helping me to get a clearer picture of the candidates. I'm still trying to figure out if we're supposed to vote based on the issues, who we think will be the best leader, or whose personality we like the best. No, those three things are not always wrapped up into one person. Does anyone else wish there were a few more people running? Considering our diverse perspectives it's such a shame having to narrow it down to two. Sigh.
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#65216 - 09/04/08 08:42 PM Re: McCain's MomVP
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Registered: 03/16/07
Posts: 228
Loc: Bay Area, California
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Originally posted by nonny22:
Back to an earlier part of this thread, please help me understand how a mom can view social support from the government as unfair "handouts" I would have been trapped in poverty instead of finishing my MD were it not for those handouts. I don't even want to take the time to explain what it has been like for my family and I. Do people really think that without government help a gifted child brought up in poverty would be able to graduate from medical school? Instead of going on WIC, should I have quit medical school and worked at McDonalds when I had my baby? Instead of getting 2 free meals as a child at school because my parents could not feed me, should I have gone hungry out of a sense of pride at 7 years old? Would it have been ok if I had to go hungry if my parents were from Mexico? Then, maybe my potential would matter less? I can tell you it would not have been possible for me to become a doctor without help. Isn't it in our country's best interest to open doors for our children? In order to do that, they need to be fed, have health care and have access (at least) to student loans. Do we really want a person's limit to be the class he or she was born into? Do we really want to see starving people in the United States? Do the wealthy really feel no burden for the less wealthy? Are they afraid they will lose their status if the lower-downs get educated? Plus, a person is not only limited by economics. Some people have smaller "bootstraps" to pull themselves up with. Maybe they were born with FAS, maybe they were abused and are now emotionally crippled, maybe they have a psychiatric disorder. Do we let them starve since they are less fit? Sounds like a jungle. How about counties like France (and many many others) where in order to have health care all you have to do is be in France? Yes, some will abuse aid. But to me that is without a doubt worth it. I am sorry for the rant but I do not understand the mind of a person that buys into these views of the right.
nonny, I'm not sure if you're referring to me. I think I used the word "handout" somewhere back there. If you'd like to know, I grew up in a rural area plagued by meth and crack. I then moved to the ghetto of Oakland with my single mom and little brother. I didn't graduate high school and dropped out when I was 15. My family didn't once take a government handout. Am I proud of that? I don't really care. It wouldn't have made a difference to me. I accepted a small need-based scholarship to my CC and now accept minimal financial aid at my undergrad. I'm married, I'm going to be a doctor. I understand bootstraps and how small and slippery they can be. I've had people invite me over to dinner because they knew I couldn't afford to buy groceries. Since then, I've worked hard. I'm better off for my struggles and I've learned a lot.

I think that the government should provide HELP when it's needed, but there are some ridiculous abuses of the system. Accepting that they are always SOME flaws is entirely different than throwing money at a broken welfare system.
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#65217 - 09/04/08 08:45 PM Re: McCain's MomVP
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Registered: 03/16/07
Posts: 228
Loc: Bay Area, California
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Originally posted by nonny22:
As far as the "lack of motivation," my husband and I will be happy to pay high taxes once we make that much. It is only right. I would feel good knowing that I am supporting the country that allowed me to become who I am. Anyway, I did not go into medicine to get rich. Isn't this what other industrialized countries do? Are they all wrong and the third world countries are right? OK, I am really done now.
Well, if you don't feel we're paying enough taxes by the time you're making "that much," I understand that the IRS accepts donations above the required amount.
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#65218 - 09/04/08 08:53 PM Re: McCain's MomVP
aurora Offline
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Registered: 03/16/07
Posts: 228
Loc: Bay Area, California
Quote:
Originally posted by Sweet:
The following comment you made may be apt, but are you certain it is addressed correctly?
Quote:
Originally posted by aurora:
[b] I guess there's no pleasing people who have already made up their minds...
[/b]
Well, I meant the comment as more of a general statement, but I suppose whatever part of my intention that was directing it at you misinterpreted your prior posts. I apologize.
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#65219 - 09/04/08 08:59 PM Re: McCain's MomVP
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Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 274
Loc: Kansas City
Sweet - I thought near identical things and repeat that what we got last night was a horrible job interview from Palin. They tell you not to cover things in your resume that you will report on a job application and well there was nothing "new" added to her resume last night - I know people are zealous with the "Palin Love Fest" and I had liked her, I didn't agree with everything she stood for but on some fundamentals I found enough reasonable common ground but she was a skeleton of herself last night trotted out for a dog and pony show - shame on the GOP, shame on her for allowing it to happen

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#65220 - 09/04/08 09:17 PM Re: McCain's MomVP
aurora Offline
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Registered: 03/16/07
Posts: 228
Loc: Bay Area, California
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Originally posted by Sweet:
Quote:
Originally posted by aurora:
[b] Sweet, mean ?! Seriously...? That's what you got?
Dear Aurora, that is not what "I got", I shared my first impression of her immediately following her speech. I am carefully choosing not to present too many of my political opinions here. Furthermore, I have been giving Sarah Palin an opportunity to speak for herself (at least to me) and am not going to discuss her positions based solely on third-party reports. That is why yesterday was important for me - I wanted to hear her present her own opinions and positions, I wanted the intangibles (not facts/tangibles like the names of her family members and their occupations, which can be verified from other sources without too much danger of misrepresentation). However, if you would like the long list of issues/questions/concerns which preoccupied my mind during and after her speech, I will be happy to present them. Are you truly interested in my thoughts and opinions? [/b]
Sweet (thanks for the "dear". Not sure if you were being polite or condescending, so I'll leave it out of my salutation),

The purpose of the convention speeches is not to throw down a detailed list of the VP's viewpoints. The purpose was to engage the base (which, BTW, LOVED her speech), introduce herself officially, and kick off the campaign for John McCain. I think she did a fantastic job on all three of those. In addition, she showed us her response to the vile personal attacks of the extreme left-wing bloggers (including some members of the media). She fought back, but instead of spreading ridiculous rumors about who gave birth to little Sasha Obama (that's his youngest, FYI) or playing a victim, she focused her offensive on political/campaign issues. After Obama's campaign belittled her job as major of a small town, God forbid she take a jab at his hallowed resume.

Sarah Palin has been the nominee for 6 days now. Please give her a little more time. You'll hear her stuff at the debate in October and in countless interviews between now and then.

And as for sharing your opinions, do whatever makes you comfortable. I didn't ask for any, I was responding to your reaction. I notice that you have "issues/questions/concerns" but it doesn't sound like you have anything positive to say. Obviously you are disappointed. You said that in your last post. So if you want to share more disappointments, go ahead.

For the general audience: I couldn't be more happy with Palin's performance, and I can't wait for the debate. But then again, I guess I'm "one of them."
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#65221 - 09/04/08 09:36 PM Re: McCain's MomVP
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Registered: 08/22/05
Posts: 1004
Loc: midwest
I loved the speech, and agree with aurora on the purpose of convention speeches. I loved the line about selling the Alaska governor's private plane on EBay, which she apparently actually did. One thing that absolutely amazes me is that liberal feminists have been telling all of us for years that we can have it all, be moms and be successful in business, politics, medicine, or whatever we want to do, and when someone like Sarah Palin actually proves that it is possible, she gets shot down as being unfit or as neglecting her family by the very women who have been telling us all along to go for it. She is standing up to the critics with grace and grit and I love it. Did you know that her teleprompter went out on her just before she started the speech and apparently cut in an out all throughout the speech? You couldn't tell at all. In addition, I thought little Piper Palin was just too cute for words while holding her little brother and smoothing out his hair.

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#65222 - 09/04/08 09:53 PM Re: McCain's MomVP
aurora Offline
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Registered: 03/16/07
Posts: 228
Loc: Bay Area, California
Seriously, can I clone little Piper? She's adorable. She's got her mama's spirit.
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