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#65323 - 09/15/08 09:59 PM
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Registered: 02/22/08
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palin appears solo in denver: denver post an excerpt: Throughout Palin's speech, a protester at the back of the arena sporadically shouted, "You're not qualified!" Palin supporters around the protester shouted her down with chants of "USA! USA!"
Indeed, most of those who came to the rally today were unabashed Palin fanatics. Many wore T-shirts or held signs touting the candidate, with lines like "Soccer Moms 4 Palin" and "Teenagers 4 Palin."
"I was going to be a theater major," said 16-year-old Betsy Plemons, who drove from Cheyenne, Wyo., with her dad for the rally. "After I heard her speak, I decided to go into political science."
Noel Maberry, 48, of Denver, said he has no problem voting Palin to be next in line for the presidency and credits her with putting the "zing" in McCain's candidacy.
"She's a breath of fresh air," Maberry said. "She's feisty. She's nice. She's got her act together."
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#65324 - 09/16/08 12:15 AM
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Here is the American Public Health Assocation policy on sexuality education. My understanding is that Illinois legislators used information from this group in drafting their legislation (that was not passed). http://www.apha.org/advocacy/policy/policysearch/default.htm?id=1304
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#65325 - 09/16/08 01:31 AM
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Registered: 08/22/05
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Yes, you're right, conflicted. It did not pass. It was tabled. I was mistaken there. The fact is that Obama did vote for it, and I was responding to KTBear's accusation that the McCain ads were lying. They were not. This is a nice summary from comments on a liberal blog site:
"The spin from Obama when questioned on the Sex Ed bill in he 2004 debate with Keyes:
"Now, I'll give you an example, because I have a six-year-old daughter and a three-year-old daughter, and one of the things my wife and I talked to our daughter about is the possibility of somebody touching them inappropriately, and what that might mean. And that was included specifically in the law, so that kindergarteners are able to exercise some possible protection against abuse"
The current spin from Obama spokesperson Bill Burton:
"It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators"
The actual facts:
The bill was not written to protect young children from sexual predators.
Obama and his campaign distorted the truth then (debate with Keyes in 2004), and now (rebutting McCain's ad), to justify the Sex Ed bill by giving the example of his daughters needing to learn about inappropriate touching. The Illinois School Code already had a section for teaching kindergarten and elementary students about the dangers of abuse, inappropriate touching, predators, etc. - Sec. 27.13-2. The bill Obama supported was not for the purpose of teaching young children about abuse, inappropriate touching, and the dangers of predators because that law already existed.
What was new in the bill, SB 099, is the mandate for Sexually Transmitted Disease education in grades K, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 to be added to the already existing mandate for STD education in grades 6-12. Other topics that were originally intended for students in grades 6-12 are pushed down to K-12, as well.
What the bill did was take the sex education section of the Illinois School Code that was originally legislated for students in grades 6-12 and pushed it down to grades K-12.
If the bill was intended to keep sex education age-appropriate, as also claimed, it should have been applied to the correct section of the Illinois School Code - Section 27-13.2 - which addresses the sexual and safety issues of younger students.
Furthermore the bill Obama supported omitted schools' obligation to give not less than 5 days written notice to the parents or guardians of pupils before commencing sex education classes or courses so that they may opt their students out if they so choose."
I am not debating the merit or lack of merit of the bill, only that Obama is accusing McCain of lying and McCain is not lying.
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#65326 - 09/16/08 04:51 AM
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Registered: 01/27/07
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AnnaM, Wow that is really eye opening. Kinda scary.
twinmom, I honestly don't understand what you were trying to say about my post. But there's a big difference between giving different sides of an opinion, such as Jeremiah's influence on Obama, and giving facts, such as a roller coast accident. However, all I was trying to say is that many of the Fox News programs try to have a right-winged rep and a left-wing rep when discussing an issue or a political figure, to try to keep things even. What you were saying really had nothing to do with that.
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#65327 - 09/16/08 06:16 AM
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Registered: 07/12/08
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I watch CNN often and they have both parties represented on many issues. Anyway, I just watch the speeches,and really I was insulted by the pick of Palin. He only chose her because Obama did not select Hillary. It was strctly a strategic move to gain votes, and not a move to look out for the good of the country. In my opinion. If Obama had selected a female McCain would have gone with another white male....it is as though it was casted for a movie and we are all the spectators, only this is real life not a movie. Personally I could NEVER agree with Palin or McCain, and I support OBAMA all the way.I see nothing appealing as a woman in Palin...NO WAY! To me it is all a bunch of hype...and it worked on so many! People are so predictable. I only hope when the fog clears we have something different, and not the scary politics of McCain and Palin. Just my opinion!
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#65328 - 09/16/08 01:13 PM
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Registered: 02/22/08
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you have to admit, palin has energized the republican base. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/15/rollins.gamechanger/index.html an excerpt: The leading "mainstream media" including ABC's condescending Charlie Gibson and The New York Times' Maureen Dowd have raced "North to Alaska" to find out what makes this woman tick. But alas, they show again and again that they just don't get it.
Nobody cares if Palin knows the Bush doctrine. I defy anyone to tell you what the Bush-Cheney strategy has been over the last seven years (other than getting re-elected) or what doctrine has been practiced by this "gang that can't shoot straight." And who cares? They are gone in 126 days.
What the media doesn't get is that Palin is one of us. She got to the top of the heap because she could relate to ordinary people, because she is ordinary people and through extraordinary efforts made it.
She's got kids; she worked her way through college (state college like most of us). Her husband is a working stiff.
She started at the bottom and worked her way to the top by being better, not prettier. She did her job at the top by being smarter and tougher than the good old boys who stood in her way.
as mentioned on the saturday night live skit, it just shows that anyone can be president. any joe or jane. granted, she's probably more ambitious than average. but is she smarter than average? i'm not sure. and some may say, "does it matter?" does she have what it takes to be vp, and possibly leader of the free world?
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#65329 - 09/16/08 04:34 PM
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Registered: 01/27/07
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For all pf you Obama supporters, please do not take this as me making fun of him. I believe Obama to be an intelligent person. However, this video clip really unnerves me. It seems as though he has no idea what his speeches are even about. I understand that speeches are written by a different person, but shouldn't they be based on what the candidate might have written or said? Then why is Obama completely LOST when the telepromopter goes out? He has absolutely no clue what he was even saying (or reciting). I welcome your opinions on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc
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#65330 - 09/16/08 04:44 PM
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Registered: 02/22/08
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it made me laugh, and he can laugh at himself when he stumbles.
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#65331 - 09/16/08 04:52 PM
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Registered: 01/27/07
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Loc: new york
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That's not stunbling. That's having absolutely no idea what you are talking about when you are reading a speech. As soon as the prompter died, he was lost.
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#65332 - 09/16/08 07:43 PM
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Registered: 07/12/08
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Loc: South Carolina
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I don't really take that as he does not know what he is talking about.....I mean look at Sarah Palin and the Bush Doctrine...I think it happens. They don't have everything stored in their brian to spit out numbers and values..he was talking numbers, and talking about specific ER procedures in reference to an asthma patient, and what therapy is used....believe me I have had some 1st year residents that have to refer to notecards when it comes to reciting proper therapy for things. If he relied on a teleprompter for that info, it is no different than having it on notecards, which I don't think is a big deal. I don't think any of these candidates are so knowledgeable on EVERY subject that they can spit out figures, especially in the healthcare arena off the top of their head..PLEASE...Palin speeches are the same over and over. Her answers are completely memorized, and when questioned about something new to her as the Bush Doctrine she was clueless,and tried to fake it. They ALL have moments they know NOTHING about what they are talking about, it is not fair to make the assumption that they are clueless about all issues.Palin has her strong points, but for me personally, she has not moved me in even a small way to trust her. Her qualifications are not impressive to me, there is scandal all around some of the things she has done in office, and that has not been that long!I don't see how she can reform anything in Washington that will benefit the majority of the country. That is personal opinion though. Let's face it, if he really struck people as not knowing what he is talking about in general, no way he would have gone this far LOL!
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