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#67561 - 11/25/03 11:12 AM
Obesity
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Registered: 02/06/02
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CNN: Report: Fat Americans getting even fatter Extreme obesity is ballooning in U.S. adults Tuesday, October 14, 2003 Posted: 9:11 AM EDT (1311 GMT) It's no secret that Americans are getting fatter, but the biggest Americans are gaining weight faster than ever, a new study shows. CNN's Christy Feig has more. •CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- Americans are not just getting fatter, they are ballooning to extremely obese proportions at an alarming rate. The number of extremely obese American adults -- those who are at least 100 pounds overweight -- has quadrupled since the 1980s to about 4 million. That works out to about 1 in every 50 adults. Extreme obesity once was thought to be a rare, distinct condition whose prevalence remained relatively steady over time. The new study contradicts that thinking and suggests that it is at least partly due to the same kinds of behavior -- overeating and under-activity -- that have contributed to the epidemic number of Americans with less severe weight problems. In fact, the findings by a RAND Corp. researcher show that the number of extremely obese adults has surged twice as fast as the number of less severely obese adults. On the scale of obesity, "as the whole population shifts to the right, the extreme categories grow the fastest," said RAND economist Roland Sturm. He added: "These people have the highest health care costs." http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/diet.fitness/10/13/extreme.obesity.ap/ Thoughts of the epidemic of obesity? SOlutions? Reasons? Comments...
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#67562 - 11/25/03 05:42 PM
Re: Obesity
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Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 568
Loc: California
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I think that we as Americans have deemphasized the importance of physical fitness. Our children play outdoors less (for multiple reasons) thereby become obese; PE has been cut back so far in our schools that it's not the same class we took as teens. The cafeterias serve fattening food. And even as adults, with more money and more options, it's not easy to find healthy alternatives for lunch or breakfast on the go. Micky D's doesn't serve fresh fruit, or granola. Burger King doesn't have tofu on their menu - And, it's difficult to find places that do. Not to mention the added "expense" of eating healthy. A .50 cent bag of chips, or a $2.00 salad? Hum...if I eat a salad I'll be hungry in an hour; the chips will hold me until dinner.
Also, I hear about the increasing amount of "steroids" in food, and that may contribute to "bigger, rounder" people as well.
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#67563 - 11/25/03 06:32 PM
Re: Obesity
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Registered: 05/20/03
Posts: 371
Loc: Iowa City IA
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The answer is as simple as it ever was.
Too much food. Too little exercise. Fear of numbers. Unwillingness to self-educate about nutrition. The unpleasantness of being hungry while losing weight.
The cost of fresh produce is still a serious problem for the poorest people, but for most Americans it's not. That $4 pizza and $5 half-gallon of ice cream buys lots of bananas, apples, scallions, etc.
And there are some other exceptions: Lots of popular meds, including antidepressants, can cause serious and uncontrollable weight gain. So, maybe, can changes in metabolism caused by morbid obesity.
But the fact that we've got grossly unrealistic ideas of how much food people need doesn't help. Nor does the fact that we've essentially given up. It's getting hard to find a pair of pants that doesn't involve spandex or elastic, even for teens. Just a couple hours ago my (significantly overweight) husband and I were laughing about "invisible" copy in the Eddie Bauer catalogue. Example: "elastic side panels for extra 'give'...for your extra 'fat'."
Mya's answer is actually a pretty good example of general lack of nutrition education. Looking for "healthy" foods at McD's, she wants granola. Granola's not particularly healthful stuff, high in sugar, highish in calories -- the medium-density fiberboard of whole grains, with syrup for glue. It just has good marketing. As does tofu, though tofu can be quite high in fat and calories, even if it's not fried. Other "good marketing" foods: salads (with dressing, cheeses, egg yolks, fatty meats, in gigantic bread bowls), grilled chicken sandwiches (2-3 portions' worth of meat, with mayo, on heavily buttered buns), "egg beaters" omelettes (cooked on a greasy grill, with 3 oz. cheese and 3 servings' worth of pancakes), all-fruit ice pops (made of frozen fruit syrups), etc....I eat all this stuff, btw. But I have a general sense of how much food I'm eating & how many calories are going in v. out. If my accounting's off, I gain weight, and that's a tipoff to fix it. Works every time.
The low-carb diets aren't genius either, since they're just another way of avoiding learning basic nutrition and doing the arithmetic. My FIL's idea of following that diet was to walk around eating spoonsful of PB, and he wondered why he couldn't lose more weight....My MIL actually bought him pork rinds to eat while he was on that diet.
Losing weight is not complicated for most people, if you're disciplined enough to mind the numbers, and you're willing to live in a way where your body can get enough exercise. That means reasonably low stress, lots of freedom to move around and exercise during the day (I mean sweaty exercise, not go-for-a-stroll exercise), minimal time sitting, using feet more than car for transportation, refusing to eat for entertainment, and eating much less than adults are expected to eat now. That's not easy in this society, and it's harder if you have trouble conceiving of lifestyles different from the ones handed you. But I think that's what it takes.
amy
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#67564 - 11/26/03 08:02 AM
Re: Obesity
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Registered: 08/04/03
Posts: 1810
Loc: Indiana
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I must talke about this while we are on the subject of obesity:
I know fat is on the rise, for reasons that have already been posted, nintendo games, instead of climbing a tree, we are a face passed society, and many cant seem to find the time, or have enough energy to prepare healthy food. Every thing is becoming soo high tech. I mean really, way back when people washed their clothes by hind, hunted their own food which meant running and dragging their prey through the woods, the women were at home to prepare the food and tend to children,(most parents are both working and have to today in this age) there was no television and late came the radio. People used brooms and not a sweeper. Yes, even washed their dished by hand. There are remote controls for darn near everything. Heck, we even have cruise control on the cars for heaven's sake, not to mention automatic redial!!!!!! Okay, enough on that.
I was reading my new letter that I get from the ANA (American Nurse Association). In one article, I had gotten the impression, they accepted ridicule for having had an obese nurse on the front issue of a previous cover. Basically saying they were sending a the wrong message, and how nurses and what they stand for should not be examplified by an overweight nurse. I was uphauled, and this is coming from me, a person who is not overweight!
First off, many obese people have psychological issues. Others have an inheritied trait, or has been found in some cases (genetically linked or not) to be deficient in a signaler for feeling satiety. Instead of ridculing these people we should treat the reason why they are this way. And let's remeber that there are many young women with eating disorders (anorexia, bullemia) because of the message sent through magazines like Cosmopolitan, and Glamour. And I will be damned as a nurse, if I will support the ANA to send, although be it inadvertantly, the same message. I see many dieticians, nurses, docs, etc. who are overweight. And have other bad habits. It would be unrealistic to broadcast such people across the US as just thin people. And for those people who for instance are obese because of an inherited trait---well that's not quite fair. After all, that thin nurse on the cover could have bullemia, or even anorexic, and appear as such---is anyone gonna whine and complain about that?
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#67565 - 11/26/03 11:03 AM
Re: Obesity
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Registered: 05/20/03
Posts: 371
Loc: Iowa City IA
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First off, many obese people have psychological issues. Others have an inheritied trait, or has been found in some cases (genetically linked or not) to be deficient in a signaler for feeling satiety. Instead of ridculing these people we should treat the reason why they are this way. Unfortunately, for most of them there's nothing to treat except environment. Most overweight people are not victims of genetics -- if they were, we'd have seen this problem long ago. If you can't make it easy for most people to lose weight -- and that means having food less available and exercise less avoidable -- they're not going to muster the necessary discipline. You can throw the whole pharmacopaeia at them, but it really won't do as well as less food, more exercise. And for that, the food industries, working conditions, and neighborhood setups will have to change. I don't see it happening anytime soon. amy
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#67566 - 11/30/03 08:03 PM
Re: Obesity
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Registered: 01/12/03
Posts: 8
Loc: Florida
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Amy, I agree wholeheartedly with your good, old-fashioned common sense. Sethina, thanks for bringing up this topic. I am currently applying to preventive medicine residency with the hopes of making a difference in public health efforts to combat modifiable risk factors for our biggest killers--heart disease and cancer. And for that, the food industries, working conditions, and neighborhood setups will have to change. I would love to hear anyone else's opinions about solutions to the obesity problem.
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#67567 - 12/01/03 09:04 AM
Re: Obesity
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Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 147
Loc: Toronto
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I think that the way suburbia is set up is a recipe for weight gain. Everyone drives, there are fast food joints everywhere, and generally not too many parks to go to. I live in a metropolis where you can get anywhere by walking or riding your bike.
I also find that if you work long hours or shift work, it's very difficult to maintain a balanced diet. Often you have to squeeze in a meal, and sometimes the only thing available is fast food or a candy machine!
I myself am not overweight, but I have to make a conscious effort to watch what I eat. Cooking at home is a good solution, as long as you buy healthy groceries. Finding a form of exercise that you can enjoy is another key to losing weight.
I also think that weather plays a part in obesity. If you live in a place that has cold winters, it's hard to stay active. You tend to want to stay indoors and crave sugar and carbohydrates.
Just my :twocents: ! M-A
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#67568 - 12/01/03 11:24 AM
Re: Obesity
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Registered: 05/20/03
Posts: 371
Loc: Iowa City IA
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I also think that weather plays a part in obesity. If you live in a place that has cold winters, it's hard to stay active. You tend to want to stay indoors and crave sugar and carbohydrates. I live in the upper Midwest, where it gets very cold and windy. -30F with wind chill isn't unusual here. But again, it's all about how serious people are when it comes to staying at a reasonable weight. Despite the queerly fascist tones of the instructors, the FIRM videos are very effective workouts, assuming you don't have musculoskeletal problems. I shoved the coffee table out of the way this morning at 6:30 and did a strenuous 1-hr aerobics workout. Equipment: Floor, TV/DVD, set of 3-lb weights, small weighted ball, kid's plastic stepstool. I vary morning exercise so I don't get bored (aerobics, sculpting/weights, Nordictrak, Pilates, yoga), but it still adds up to about an hour each morning. Back when I was in jr. hi, before the exercise boom, I used to just put on a tape of music I'd got off the radio and run in place, do calisthenics, etc. All indoors. If you don't have kids keeping you from exercising outside, good outdoor-exercise equipment in January here includes Mad Bomber hat, down coat, insulated pants, wool sox, thick scarf, good boots, heavy-duty gloves, walkman, boss headphones (I like Grados, they're like taking the club with you and they keep your ears warm too). That's for walking; for running, a thick turtleneck, thick sweatshirt, thick tights, pants with some kind of wind resistance, lightweight Thinsulate gloves, and a fleece hat with earflaps will do you just fine, no need for expensive performance materials unless you're running 1/2-marathon or more distances. When it gets below 10 degrees F, I like to add a lightweight, non-fiber-waving face mask, something the air has to go through before it gets to my mouth. Stops mild cold-induced asthma. If you can't stand cold and have an infant, you can strap him/her on and go for a walk in the mall, a treadmill, an indoor track...you see where I'm going. If you really want to get the exercise in, cold weather won't stop you. As for carbs...=) Do the exercise and stay reasonable with the calories, and you'll be pretty OK, carbs or not. If you want to be neurotic about it, you can get a drugstore glucometer and see how well exercise keeps your blood sugar in check. amy
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#67569 - 12/01/03 11:51 AM
Re: Obesity
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I hate to even weigh in on this discussion because I am overweight, but since I didn't shy away from the other debate I guess I will go ahead and add my :twocents:
I was always very thin and very consientious about my weight. My mother, on the other hand, has been obese throughout my entire life. I never understood why she didn't just "get some control" and exercise more/eat less. I was very unforgiving in my opinions. I also grew up with a father that monitored my food intake and made fun of fat people....if he saw an overweight woman jogging, he'd scream out at her "too late, honey" :twocents:
kris
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#67570 - 12/01/03 02:08 PM
Re: Obesity
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Registered: 06/10/02
Posts: 1458
Loc: MN
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First, let me apologize for being a tad defensive in my response...I'd change it if it wasn't for the fact that I hadn't logged on and so I can't access it....can you tell weight is a huge issue for me? Sorry for offending anyone. As to solutions....I would agree that we have a distorted idea of what people 'should' eat today. I'm shocked by the fact that burger king and McDonalds now have those 'big kids' meals now, for example. I ate a 'happy meal' on the occasions that we ate out until I went to college and it was more than enough....it seems to me that we are training our children at younger and younger ages to eat more. Our children's school cafeteria now even allows children to get two meals instead of one  They actually sent home permission slips at the beginning of the year. We declined to sign. Also, when you go out to a restaurant the portion sizes are HUGE...It's like getting three meals at one time. I recently ate at Fridays with my husband and since I'm actively watching my weight I ordered a Cobb Salad with the dressing on the side. They brought me out what could be considered a platter full of salad...not a plate. I immediately had them bring me a to-go box and put 1/2 of it away before I even started eating...because I knew that if it was sitting on my plaste I'd probably eat it all...not out of hunger, but just because it was there. I think a lot could be done to limit portion sizes in restaurant and provide healthier options in fast-food establishments. Also, you are right that healthy foods are more expensive. It is cheaper for me to buy a box of those $1.19 twinkies for the kid's snack than to buy a bag of carrots. The catch-22 though is that the farmer has to be compensated. kris
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