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#74145 - 04/29/10 06:48 PM Did you see what Oklahoma just did?
nbp Offline
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Registered: 12/07/05
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Ok, so admittedly this link is an opinion piece: http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/28/carr.abortion.oklahoma/index.html?hpt=T2. Full disclaimer: I got my "facts" from this opinion piece.

I REALLY don't want to start an abortion debate here. Please please please. I just want to talk about the fact that this legislation seems to interfere with patients' ability to trust their physician, and that seems so wrong to me. This bill seems incredibly unethical, in that it basically allows physicians to lie to their patients. Is anyone else as appalled by this as I am?

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#74146 - 04/29/10 07:32 PM Re: Did you see what Oklahoma just did? [Re: nbp]
southernmd Offline
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Registered: 02/04/10
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I plan to become an OB/GYN, and I am a conservative, but I also believe in the ethical principles of autonomy. I am not in favor of that much of a dose of paternally-driven medicine. Ugh. I would never lie to my patient. That is not empowering them to a make a decision - a decision that I may not agree with, but is still THEIR decision.

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#74147 - 04/29/10 07:36 PM Re: Did you see what Oklahoma just did? [Re: southernmd]
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It even goes beyond the Decision with a capital D. Regardless of the possibility of abortion, a woman should be able to use available information to plan for the probable outcome of a pregnancy. As just one small example, why should a mother be surprised by the birth of a baby with Downs syndrome if she could just as easily been informed months in advance, and prepared herself for the different developmental course she could expect? I guess my point is that this legislation isn't just about abortion.

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#74148 - 04/29/10 07:43 PM Re: Did you see what Oklahoma just did? [Re: nbp]
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If reporting the results truthfully is optional, will insurance co's and public funding sources still reimburse for fetal ultrasounds?

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#74151 - 04/29/10 08:36 PM Re: Did you see what Oklahoma just did? [Re: Administrator]
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Registered: 07/02/02
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That's ridiculous. I'm also annoyed that she says pro-life people are claiming that as a victory. Um, no.

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#74153 - 04/29/10 08:40 PM Re: Did you see what Oklahoma just did? [Re: asunshine]
nbp Offline
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Yeah, I'm sure there's some small subset of pro-life people who view it as a victory, but it's unreasonable to generalize like that. Reasonable people on both sides of the abortion debate will find this law equally absurd.

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#74208 - 05/03/10 07:57 PM Re: Did you see what Oklahoma just did? [Re: nbp]
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I think it is appalling. How could any doctor worth their oath outright lie to a patient? It is unethical. Here is another link about their U/S law...

http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/146662/shocking_law:_doctors_now_allowed_to_keep_information_about_birth_defects_from_women_in_order_to_stop_abortions?page=2

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#74220 - 05/04/10 10:06 PM Re: Did you see what Oklahoma just did? [Re: Docmomof4]
kpzr/9145 Offline
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Registered: 01/04/06
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docmomof3, can you post the link again? I could not get into it.
It is just plain creeeeeepy! I am sure the other Pediatricians on this site agree with me that a birth of a special needs child that is expected is such a better thing for the family. I have seen Down Syndrome babies born unexpectedly and this is such a hard thing for the family. I have also seen Down Syndrome babies born when the family knew about and prepared for and welcomed that baby. This legislation is just plain wrong. Let's hope there will be a legal challenge to it.
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#74221 - 05/04/10 10:26 PM Re: Did you see what Oklahoma just did? [Re: kpzr/9145]
dreamerRN Offline
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Registered: 02/23/10
Posts: 6
Wow, thanks for posting. This made my stomach turn. How can they do this with the informed consent laws that are in place? I thought there was a federal law stating patients had a right to thier medical records?

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#74224 - 05/05/10 09:05 AM Re: Did you see what Oklahoma just did? [Re: dreamerRN]
sunshine217 Offline
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Registered: 09/07/09
Posts: 39
Loc: South
yeah, that's pretty crazy huh? Unethical.

General question: This info came from an opinion column...so I thought, hmmmm, maybe I'll look up the actual bill because surely this can't be true....how the heck do you look up actual legislation? Seriously, I've tried to look up bills etc before and I'm never successful. Why is that stuff so hard to find? Shouldn't it be easy to read what the gov is doing?

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